Friend, author, and master storyteller Sarah Elkins wanted to learn more about the story behind The Change Code and how we can apply these concepts to reducing polarization in our communities. We discussed “wicked” problems and how to create solutions.

We also discussed how I discovered Clare W. Graves’ groundbreaking work of Spiral Dynamics, how it changed my life, and why I was compelled to share it in my book. Take a listen:

Your Stories Don’t Define You, How You Tell Them Will Podcast with Monica Bourgeau: Episode 116 – The Realities of Improving Our Polarized Communities 

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